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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 3, 2010 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

I've never seen this mentioned here, and if so its worth a 2nd plug, but here are some amazing studio jams (no singing) that you need to check out.

Track 7 sounds like an early version of Supplication, what do you think? The uploader calls it They Love Each Other/NFA jam- I'm not so sure.

After hearing this I have no idea how their sound went from this high tempo jazz/rock to the slow lethargic playing in 1976.

Here's a review from LIA:

Reviewer: light into ashes -
Subject: studio jams
The first rehearsal we have from '75 is the most enjoyable to listen to - this tape surfaced only last year, but quickly became a favorite from '75. A few tunes are already well worked-out, but this session shows the band bringing in a number of fascinating jams that would soon be dropped. The Distorto is the same one that was a bonus track on the Blues for Allah disc - but it is super cool, such a different heavy-metallish approach to the Crazy Fingers theme. (It's hard to imagine Garcia singing over this track!) And track 3, the 'bouncey jam', is a caribbean-type thing that is one of the best jams the Dead ever played, in any year....I would encourage everybody to listen to at least these two tracks! Then they go into Stronger Than Dirt for a while, and other nameless jams (the titles aren't really accurate) - track 8, for instance, is a development of the funk jam they'd played sometimes in '74, like on 6/18/74. Disc two is slow going for a while, but picks up again with a fantastic Music Never Stopped jam. This song seems to catch their fancy, so they keep playing Music Never Stopped for 45 minutes....most of the session is just jamming, but this part sounds like they've started serious rehearsal.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-02-28.sbd.smith.93779.sbeok.flac16

This post was modified by billydlions on 2010-08-04 03:01:28

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 4, 2010 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

"slow lethargic playing in 1976"? you, my friend, are either talking out of your ass, or are listening to a very different 1976 from the one I am listening to.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 4, 2010 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

This is the only one of the studio sessions archived here that i listened to and went back and listened again and again. It really is fantastic.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Aug 5, 2010 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

Big fan of these Reels...Heres a cover I made some time ago for them..

Cover 4

Back 4

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Aug 4, 2010 12:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

Agree with Light Into Ashes The #3 Bouncey Jam is fantastic, sounds unlike anything else they have done, a sort of Supplication-ish theme with elements of Stronger Than Dirt and Good Lovin' and Jerry Magic on a cool afternoon in Marin County. Awesome recovery on this recording!!!

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Poster: Jim F Date: Aug 5, 2010 3:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

I fell in love with 2/28/75 from the first minute I heard it. It's really the only 75/76 rehearsal stuff that I freqently pull out for enjoyment, rather than a one-off listen for novelty.

I still argue about 76 tempos. Take Let it Grow or Eyes from that year, they are lightning fast. Though I agree they did slow some stuff down. But that's not such a bad thing, a lot of songs did really well when slowed down, even with the earliest material. For instance I really like when Dark Star got slower and slower, and I love the bouncy versions of early 1970 Eleven's.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Aug 3, 2010 10:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

Billy D., I can see how these jams are very upbeat and wonderful and closer to '7 than '76 but I must take issue with the lethargic comment. I can hear a bit of lethargicness in the Bouncy Jam if I choose to hear that.

The only reason I bring this up is not to point out a deficiency on your part but on mine and many that '76 was lethargic and slow. Parts of it were, yes, but parts of many years, months, shows, were. I know '76 can sound slow but the music was real and raw and exploratory and they were getting themselves prepared for '77.

I find many bright spots in the summer of '76.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 4, 2010 4:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

Hey Deadmax, I guess I was joint pointing out the seemingly 180 degree shift from the jazz feeling of this tape to the slowed down tempos of 1976 (we can agree on that, right?). It seems like the band made some decision to change in this direction. As for 1976, there are many positives including the great set lists and many shows in summer and fall. Overall, I just find most of the year to laid back for me (I guess that's where I came up with the lethargic comment). That being said, 10/15 & 12/31 are favorites of mine.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 4, 2010 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

Hey BDL--since it ain't 68 or thereabouts, I think even retirement contracts allow me to comment...I think that you and LiA are on target with allusions to the dramatic shifts in 75 thru to 76...having been to the shows in 75, and many in 76, I always felt there was a great deal of variation, just within 75, much less as they became more consistent (less variable?) in set-lists, show sound, etc., in 76. The whole BfAllah studio sound came thru in parts of the Mar/Jun shows of 75, but entirely dominated the Aug one (that became the first Vault release), and then was not so prominent in the Sep GGPk show I always talk about (or did). That latter show, IMHO, was much more a "typical" DEAD show for those of us attending, and we even discussed whether the whole BfAllah foray had been an experiment that was fading to the background...

This is not based at all on detailed analyses of set-lists, or listening to the shows from 75 lately (haven't for yrs and yrs), nor the studio material you all are discussing here, but just my superficial recollection of what "we on the ground" percieved as the band came off the hiatus and hit the circuit again, in 76.

So, not sure how to typify it, but our take at the time was they were once again "experimenting" in the studio, culminating in the 75 release of BfAllah, but that having show-cased some of that material live, they settled on a sound in 76 that didn't continue in a dominating fashion all of those efforts...if that makes any sense. And then it was on to the new approaches with studio efforts associated with TerSt and its release in 77, but I can't really comment on that sequence and the interplay between studio and live performances.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 4, 2010 2:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

Well, I think June '76 started kind of slow, but they picked up steam as they went along.
I'd take issue with the statement that '76 was "preparing for" '77....that's like saying '77 was a preparation for '78! To me, '77 is more like a left turn from the directions they were taking in '76.
And I'd agree that '76 (however lethargic it wasn't) was quite a change from the jazz/rock possibilities they showed in '75 (or for that matter, '74). Some of it's still there (mostly gone in '77), and there's a lot of freedom & experimentation in the sets.
But there was a lot more at the beginning of '75, when they were just playing for themselves, and it sort of got 'ironed out' into the little bit of the Dead's music that the public got to see. What a rehearsal set like 2/28/75 shows is how much got dropped by the wayside before they even got to the live stage!

(The change is also mirrored in Garcia's sets - in early '75 he's doing jazzy sets with Saunders and horns - then by early '76 Merl is out and he's doing very slow gospelly shows with Keith & Donna...)

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Aug 4, 2010 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Incedible 1975! I cant believe I've never heard this.

kind of pizza tape-ish